CanadaI just wanted to alert everyone that there is a new "100 Rounds" category. I discovered that the round counter is only 2 digits when I made it to the 100th round, so it displays as "Round 00" and the next round is "Round 01" so it made sense to have a 100 round category as sort of a completion category. The run I submitted is my first completion. Enjoy!
Yes it is. In general, video is required for every game. I'm actually shocked that Super Metroid allows some runs to not have video. Maybe they get too many submissions or something. But they do require video for runs within a certain speed margin.
Anyway, video is required for every NES speedrun, as far as I know.
I maintain my position in general, but I am also inclined to add categories like this when there is visibly high demand. (I did the same for a new Tetris category from the last Big20.) If a new category is immediately going to get at least a dozen submissions there isn't really a downside; if the category eventually goes a year or two without a submission it can be removed at the discretion of the Mods.
I don't think "different enough to be justified" really applies here. When I read this post, my first thought was "Doesn't this exact category already exist?" Then I went and stared at the points% category for about 3 minutes before I realized that the only difference is that you also have to end the game in that category. So if this category were to be created, the method would essentially be "Do exactly what you did for the other category, except get your final points as quickly as possible instead of running the clock."
I have no objections to the speedrun categories that currently exist, and as a speedrunner and Tecmo Super Bowl player I've happily indulged in all of them. But I also firmly believe that the more categories a game has that involve something other than a standard victory condition, the less meaning they all end up having. In this instance I would say that this category would be too similar to the points% category.
It feels weird to me that there are categories where losing is the goal at all. (For some reason, this is especially prominent in baseball games.) I am happy to add clarification that the player is required to win the game.
As is the case with the vast majority of the most illustrious achievements in Tetris, crashing the game doesn't have much to do with speedrunning. If a leaderboard were made for it today, the fastest run wouldn't be from "the person who tried to crash the game the fastest"; it would be from "the person whose game happened to end the soonest." Also, I'm almost certain that, after getting their 1st crash, every player will be focused on avoiding crashing the game for as long as possible in the interest of chasing more sought after records, including lines and score.
TegaMech, I was considering writing another post detailing everything you said that was wrong in the other thread, but you're proving the point yourself. You claimed that no top player would want to consider going for records on original Tetris because of "going back to the slow loading screens between games. the bad UI. the lack of so much quality of life improvements is just... horrible. and most of all it's a massive psychological hurdle to overcome." And yet within the past 2 days or so, not one, not two, but three different players all returned to the original game in order to do something that literally prevents them from further improving the world record high score in the game. I think this is a pretty strong indication that top Tetris players are capable of overcoming the "massive psychological hurdle" of returning to the original format. I just can't figure out how you could see this happen and still believe that top Tetris players doing fewer speedruns has anything whatsoever to do with what version of the game is allowed. When I gave the bullet point in the previous thread, I indicated that I had already stated it in a previous thread, so I'll now say it for the third time: The Tetris community is almost entirely focused on gameplay that has nothing to do with speedrunning. That's not the fault of any individual; it's just the nature of the game.
If anything, what we're seeing could be an indication of the exact opposite of what you believe; we might be about to see top players doing all their high score attempts on the original version because that's what's actually viewed as the standard. All I hear people talking about right now is the pursuit of level 255 on the original game; nobody is waiting to find out who will be the first person to make it to level 160 on TetrisGym.
It's strange from my perspective to observe someone say that if we're going to add a category that is only possible on the original version of the game, we had better allow people to play other categories on other versions. It's even more strange to observe someone say that only 10 people will achieve within 2 or 3 years what 3 people achieved in 2 days. As is the case with virtually everything, now that people have seen it happen, the floodgates are open. I think lots of people are going to go for it, and I think many people will get there. Finally, it's strange to observe someone claiming there's an issue with lack of activity when, as a Mod off 88 games on this site, Tetris is the one getting the most submissions, with new runs on an almost daily basis.
I think you should be open to the possibility that your feelings towards the rules on SRC may be getting in the way of seeing objective reality. Maybe that's why you think I deleted a CTM account when I didn't. Maybe that's why you're complaining about top players being outraged at the rules on SRC when I haven't received one complaint from any of them. Either way, if you really care about the boards, you might want to reconsider responding to future threads with default anger or pessimism; that's far more likely to drive players away than the rules which have been a standard for NES games for years.
100% is a indeed strange title for a single game of baseball lol. I changed them to the often-used "Win a game" and "Lose a game" with a 9-innings note.
In terms of what would be considered the "main category" of the game, I 100% agree, and I'm perfectly happy to put the main category in front.
It seemed silly to me that there was a category (in this case, 100%, which refers to playing through the 9th inning) that didn't have a win condition; wins and losses were all submitted to the same category. With that in mind, I have created a new 100% category that requires the player to win the game. All previous runs that were player wins have been moved to the new category. The old category will remain, with the requirement for future submissions that the player lose the game.
Yes, the levels have to be played in ascending order. In constructing a full game speedrun category for a game with 3 individual levels and no endpoint/victory screen, the most logical choice is to place the levels in an order that most closely signifies progression through the game as it would be if the 3 levels were automatically strung together.
I'm disappointed to hear that some people have run Perfect Fit out of order, and I'm glad the current World Record played the levels in order.
When I started moderating leaderboards, I was specifically instructed by the then-owner of this site to clean up various NES boards that had categories that had arbitrary goals and didn't involve game completion. The consensus of the community was that creating "meme" categories cheapened the value of the very thing this site was created to keep track of. I personally felt that arbitrary categories made boards look messy and unprofessional.
I am truly happy that the three of you enjoyed speedrunning this game with an unusual goal in mind. But in continuing to uphold the standards of the community to which I continue to contribute, I won't be creating a category for it.
Sounds like a frame rule issue, frame rules in this game probably work similarly to those in Super Mario Bros.
Or are you referring to the ones you sent previously? I didn't want to just add a bunch of new Mods at once, do you think brkmnly isn't enough? Because I think the job he's done has been pretty thorough.
I'm relieved to hear that it'll be easy to add all the rejected runs back. As I mentioned above, I think a fantastic job has been done with the board otherwise.
DoritoBreath: I don't have any new messages from you. Did you DM me on another site?
I have messaged the Moderator responsible for these changes and asked them to re-verify all runs that were rejected as a result of a rule change. It is standard practice for old runs that were accepted under a different set of criteria to remain on leaderboards when a rule change takes place.
For the sake of transparency, this Moderator made all changes to the rules without consulting anybody. On the flip side, they seem to have done a fantastic job updating the boards, retiming old runs, and otherwise preserving the original nature of the board.
I don't know how many runs were rejected, so bottom line, if anyone's run was rejected, feel free to re-submit it with a note stating that it was rejected after having previously been accepted, and I will be happy to re-verify the run and remove the note.
Decisions to create new categories are not made lightly. I agree that there should be something for B-Type, especially since it is the only game mode that actually constitutes some formal form of completion. However I also moderate boards where categories that were created solely for Big20 goals have been removed due to their arbitrary nature and eventual inactivity. I think this category is a good starting point for B-Type, and since there is a lot of recent interest I think a lot of people will have fun with it, so I have decided to create a leaderboard for B-Type Height 0 through 5 runs.
While I appreciate TegaMech's enthusiasm for this new category, I have to point out that every single thing he said is wrong.
-Things like new category creation typically occur after discussion (like the one above) determines that it's warranted. This board had only 3 categories for years; a lot has changed since then. Things are always going to happen, especially with such a popular game.
-I don't follow the other Mods' gaming closely, but I can say that I myself have played Tetris every month for over 4 years, continuing a tradition of going for monthly Maxouts.
-As I already mentioned in another thread, the Tetris community is almost entirely focused on gameplay that has nothing to do with speedrunning. We might not know everything that happens in the Tetris community, but we do 'know what is going on' in the Tetris speedrunning community.
-We do care about the scene. I especially enjoy the enthusiasm Big20 frequently creates just by including a game in its twice-a-year speedrunning event. I want this category to be here because this isn't just something a bunch of people ran, there is genuine excitement over it.
-The Mods see far more activity than people may be aware of. Out of over one thousand games that are classified as NES games on SRC, Tetris currently ranks #18 in active players, and #9 in all time quantity of runs. Its run quantity ranks in the top 250 of all games on the entire site. It is rare that a week goes by without a new submission. In short, Tetris has one of the most active boards on the entire site, and this is the exact reason we don't just create categories on a whim. When I started moderating boards I was specifically asked by the then-owner of the site to clean up a bunch of games that had meaningless categories, because they tend to cheapen the notion of world records. This is a standard that I continue to strive to uphold for the benefit of the NES section of this site.
Finally I just want to warn everyone that it is likely that a roller will soon come along and conquer the record in this category by playing Level 19 on all the highest Heights. That's not a bad thing, of course; just something I want you to know in advance is inevitable.
Thank you all for your interest in Tetris, and enjoy the new category!
Sorry for the delay, apparently I only get notifications when a thread is started, but not when there are new replies. I just added Kuma and I'll be sure to check back regularly.
Yes. It may have been caused by the emulator you used. If so, you may want to try another emulator. Many people use Mesen, FCEUX or Bizhawk.
This board was for the NES version of Popeye before anything else. Then other people started running other versions and asking us to add them to this board rather than have them be their own boards. We're taking it as it comes, and I'd be happy to do some reformatting. But the NES version will always be the default.
