After noticing Chaos Control in Shadow's campaign straight up stopped the timer, I knew it was gonna be real important to runs. Seeing what people manage with that is gonna be wild. Though I wonder if there should be separate categories? I haven't gone in and thoroughly tested it yet, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to run every main stage without using it, as my own use of it was sparing.

Also noticed that Doom Wing is so overpowered in some stages that even the game separates the stage times using it into their own category. Maybe we should be having the same discussion about that power too.

I know making tons of categories ain't exactly ideal, but these seem like they're gonna be the biggest make or breaks from the outset. You can probably shave minutes off of some stages with either one of them without too much practice, not to mention both.

Thoughts?

Hey yeah, this is all already being sorted out in the discord server, I would highly recommend joining discussions in there. It seems that more than likely Doom Wings / No Doom Wings will be split, since the game literally already does that by default. With Chaos Control a lot of people seem to be on board with abusing it and making strategies with optimising its use, so I can't imagine its much of a big deal as it stands. Every runner has that five-second freeze, its up to the runner on how effectively they use it and if they want to go out of their way to charge it

Egh... I'm not much one for Discord servers but... This is a special case, maybe I can help test/work some stuff out. I'm not the most skilled Sonic runner, but I'm not terrible.

Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see what kind of crazy optimization strats people are gonna come up with. But I can also see a subset of people wanting to "do it the old fashioned way" and see just how far they can push without even touching the power.

Currently I ve set up the IL Board, so that it shows all levels,bosses and challenges in one category.

If you click on a level, there will be subcategories with either no wings or wings. For bosses, normal and hard mode (except final boss) and challenges 1 and 3 of every area have a normal and hard mode subcategory as well.

Unfortunately this is how we have to do it, since you cant differentiate between bosses, levels and challenges by main categories.