There should be a glitch and glitchless category for each category
4 years ago
England

So I discovered that using the glitch in boss rush can result in skipping everything and getting a really fast time, but I want to wait until there's a glitch category before submitting it though. ( is the link to the run)

dimusnail likes this
Latvia

Edit: Actually, it probably should be a category, just an unusual, very short and technical one! I might not be a big fan of this, but others might enjoy optimizing all the glitches and jumps to be as perfect as possible. But it certainly should be a different category than the glitchless boss rush.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Beanofan likes this
Latvia

Any% and 100% should probably get a glitchless category if people really want it, right now I don't see how glitchless runs would be much different or more interesting than glitched in these categories so they probably don't need a new category yet.

Latvia

However, I think glitched 100% should have two categories – "restricted" and "unrestricted"(maybe you can find better names for these). Basically, when you go out of the map area in Snailiad, things get really buggy, you start to encounter more or less copies of the normal areas in Snailiad without any blocks, only entities, and among other things also Helix fragments and hearts! Even more, when you collect one of them, go out of the screen and enter again, they respawn and you can collect them again, and each time the corresponding amount of fragments or hearts goes up by one until you've reached the maximum amount. So basically, you can get the necessary amount of Helix fragments and hearts for 100% just by collecting a single copy of them outside the map over and over again, which some players might not find to be "in the spirit" of 100% runs as they're usually about finding an optimal path to explore most of the game world. But also, glitches can be very creatively used to traverse the world faster, so we shouldn't leave the "normal" world-traversing runs just to the glitchless category. That's why I think we need two glitched categories for 100%, where in the "restricted" category you can use glitches, but you are not allowed to go outside of the game map(or maybe collect anything from the buggy areas), whereas in the "unrestricted" one you can do whatever you want.

yabio and Beanofan like this
England

I also found that in Boss Rush you can glitch back into the normal map with your items, and beat the game from there. This is obviously faster then normal runs, so that could also be it's own category? The only problem I see with it is making too many categories

(You can also do it the other way, glitching into the boss rush from normal mode which if you go into the completion room says that you've completed it in 0:00.00)

yabio likes this
Massachusetts, USA

I'd love to see video of these glitches.

Massachusetts, USA

There is so much more to explore with this glitch than I could have ever imagined. Have either of you found the gravity shock powerup?

Latvia

Yep, we both have. I think I should finally give you both a link to this super old forum post: http://famitracker.com/forum/posts.php?id=2241 As you can see, people knew about these secrets days after Snaily's release! They used a different glitch to get outside that's now fixed, but still. This is the post where I originally got to know about the secret places as I found it quite a bit ealier than I found the glitch, and I explored the secrets using Cheat Engine.

Beanofan likes this
Latvia

I originally planned to make a video on how to perform "the glitch"(and some other glitches I found), which would also introduce to the Snailiad secrets as the glitch can be used to get out of bonds, but then I saw that you learned the glitch on your own and I thought you would be happier to explore the secret worlds for yourself, without spoilers. Should I still make the video? I could also include a basic instruction on how to use Cheat Engine on Snailiad as it can be useful for quite some things(hopefully not for cheating on speedruns). Final final thing, wouldn't it be better to find a less generic name for "the glitch"? I though I'd name it "zipping", but tell me what you think about this.

Beanofan likes this
Massachusetts, USA

I would definitely still watch and enjoy a video like that. Zipping sounds like a good name.

England

I didn't realise you were planning to make a video on this, as I uploaded one on it first on a second channel. Sorry about that, I wouldn't have made that video if I knew beforehand. still, I would also love to see some more stuff on this glitch which I missed. I feel bad now about making the video without asking if you were going to do one first, so I apologise. I credited you in the description for finding this glitch by the way. I called it the Wallclip glitch but Zipping sounds much better as a name. Again, sorry for making the video on it, I should've asked first.

dimusnail likes this
Latvia

It's ok, the fact that you made a video about secrets you found with zipping doesn't interfere much with me making quite a different video on the topic. If anything, you provide more insight into the various places you can get to with the glitch that I wouldn't have investigated, and I also believe I gained a sub from your video.

Beanofan likes this