Did I do that somehow on accident or did something happen?

I locked the thread, because the discussion was getting a bit out of hand for a speedrun.com forum.

I'd suggest getting a discord account and joining our motocross speedrun community to continue the discussion and share specific info about the game.

We'd love to hear more about going faster! Because it just seems none of us in the community can replicate the same ATV speeds and times that you can, there has to be something we're missing/miscommunicating.

Can you explain what you mean? Obviously I’m new here, what are these forums for/what was out of hand?

I came here specifically to talk about the game, going faster, better times, etc? Isn’t that the entire premise here?

I apologize, but I’m confused.

Anyway, Collins that spreadsheet is great, I’ve always wanted to see something like that but am just unable to, so thank you so much for sharing. Not too many surprises but really explains why the Duncan, Sparks, KK, and Lonestar always felt nearly identical.

For the record the Lonestar is my least favorite ATV in the game. Well I guess Alba is but I don’t even count that because of how bad it is with its terrible traction.

Did you just take down the times or do you have the videos still? It’s a lot of work but I’d love to know different range comparisons, like not just 0-50 but things in between. For example 20-30, 30-40, etc. Hell, times for every 5 mph increment would be awesome but that’s just obsessive I guess. On a side note though, I love how this game uses a digital speedometer. It makes seeing your speed easy and accurate, which is sometimes the only way to tell what approach is better for many sections.

Have you tried testing the acceleration vs top speed like I’d mentioned? I think knowing this doesn’t do anything goes a really long way in making things more streamlined and less stressful pre-race, you have no nagging thoughts of trying it “a different way” and can just focus on racing. This doesn’t effect some people in the slightest but for me it leads to constant second guessing and needlessly testing things, I hate to say that I’m almost glad it doesn’t do anything.

I totally understand you not taking my word on something like this, by the way, that’s why I think you should see for yourself firsthand.

I did do some testing and it does seem that Acc. vs Top Speed has no effect, which is strange because in ATV1 it does make a big difference. I don't have the videos anymore. I cleared them out afterward to keep space in my PC. Not sure about the other two options because they aren't as easy to test as speed and acceleration are.

I really don’t think the other two do anything either, while suspension would be hard to gauge, setting traction to each extreme would certainly be noticeable I think but yet I feel no difference.

Have you raced much with the CT?

Beyond the testing that I did, not really. I feel like it doesn't live up to the standards set by the Trenga, Trinity, and Nac's.

I’ve always kind of liked it since it’s a four stroke while most of the other bikes are two stroke. I remember I set some wicked lap times on Tioga Valley Pro Enduro (sub 3 min) with it a couple years ago that I struggled to meet with anything for a long while. Some ATVs are just better on some courses, which we kind of all know, it’s just sometimes it’s not as readily apparent and can even be somewhat surprising.

Just caught up on all the new records from the last week or so. Great racing to all, but a special mention to the dude who raced in first person! That seems like it would be much harder, at least for me. I don’t like first person anything, and have never really played first person game at all.

One thing about the B6000 is that because it’s so fast and doesn’t have the best traction it can be damn hard to play well with it, so it’s really impressive seeing people complete entire races without crashing. Even some of the simpler races become much more difficult when using it, though on the other hand certain sections are easier or completely trivialized because of its speed. But I would still say as a whole it’s much harder to use overall.

first person ftw

I decided to put in the game and try Rockbridge with the B6000 since it’s a favorite track of mine. First run went pretty good and I got a 6:01.11 and lap of 1:11.96. Gonna try to get below 6 min, definitely possible.

Attempt two: 5:56.21 / 1:11.40

Just had 5:56.41 / 1:10.26 and it was going great but crashed on final lap because stupid cpu I was lapping.

Spent a little time trying out different things in different parts since my first attempts were just racing how I normally would only slightly adjusted. But I feel like I can maybe do some things different because of how fast this ATV is but as of yet not too much luck putting things together.

But I did have a couple strange occurrences, both involving crashes oddly enough. One time I crashed pretty much right after crossing the finish line and starting the next lap, so right on that little wooden bridge thing before the actual rock bridge where the starting line is. But it spawned me on the other side of the rock bridge, before the turn and the first big jump. A similar thing happened another time going up the hill to the other rock bridge, the one that’s right before the turn into the high speed rhythm section. I crashed into the rock/sign slightly to the right and it spawned me all the way at the end of the rock bridge at the turn before the high speed rhythm section.

I’m pretty sure in both cases crashing actually saved me a little bit of time. What’s weird is that since I was trying all sorts of wacky things I crashed in both those spots multiple times, but only had it happen those ways one time each specifically. If anyone is isn’t aware, usually the way crashing works is actually different depending on if you’re playing Nationals/Supercross or Enduro. In the former two wherever your ATV finishes at the crash is where you will be spawned, where in the Enduro races you get spawned wherever you leave the ground from the jump. This actually makes a pretty big difference and makes crashing in Enduro mode much more harsh usually.

I think what happened here is that the game has issues sometimes restarting you on either of the rock bridges when you crash. If someone can figure out a way to make it consistently happen there might actually be time to be saved by purposely crashing lol.

Did Whitesands with B6000 3:11.89 / 37.70 3:11.89 / 37.69 lmao what are the odds of that

Tried a few more times, nothing good. Lap down to 37.64 was it. Strange my first two runs were virtually identical then I couldn’t do anything.

Did Saguaro with B6000 5:18.58 / 1:01.22

Did around 10 races here. This is a very technical track and the B6000’s speed just amplifies that technicality, to the point it’s kinda annoying. Not gonna lie I really don’t like driving it much.

A 1 min lap could be done and total time as low as 5 min but good luck on that. I had a 1:01.70 first lap one race, so if the other 4 were under 1 min a total time under 5 min could happen.

My Hall of Fame time here is 5:28.45 / 1:04.73 Wonder if I could bring that down.

Looking at the HoF my Palsades Basin is one I’m really proud of 11:09.93 / 2:11.24

I should try that with B6000 some time.

Saw that there’s a new lap record for Arlington Stream Pro Enduro. This was always my favorite track, and one of the reasons I got into the game in the first place way back when it came out. I’ve probably played more laps here than anywhere else.

I was under 1:45 back then, now my HoF record is 1:43.12.

With Talon Black it’s 1:40.84 With B6000 it’s 1:37.50

It’s hard to give advice through text, but the most glaring thing everyone seems to do is before the finish line. Stay off of that rhythm section lol. Like, I thought this was pretty obvious considering there’s flat ground on either side and the rhythm part is not wide at all, but just ride along the train tracks up to the finish line. That alone should bring your time down like two seconds.

Do you people even watch each other’s runs? How is the new Arlington Stream pro enduro record player not emulating strategies from the previous record?

Is there any discourse you can helpfully contribute that is not demeaning to other players, like what 70 percent of your post history is?

I’m not sure why you feel that way, but I’m sorry that you do.

I wanted to come here to have discourse about the game. No one really seems to want to post much though. In any event I have still enjoyed what there was of it.

I’ve gone back and reread all my posts. To see where you were deriving your conclusion from.

I was complementary when people set new records. I fired up the game a handful of times just to feel like I was participating as new records were set, and posted comments here. I tried to give a little bit of advice when I felt I could.

I laid out the fact that tweaking the ATV performance stats doesn’t do anything. This way people could put racing at the front of their mind rather than feeling like adjusting those things will make a difference.

When I gave the tip about the end of the Arlington stream pro Enduro, metalz immediately set a record by using it. Maybe it was just a coincidence, or maybe he saw my post. And obviously you see my posts, enough to come to the conclusion that 70% of them are demeaning. So maybe you can see why I was confused when I watched your record and you weren’t doing that.

Words can be interpreted different ways when they are simply written on a screen. If you arrived at that conclusion from what you read, then I don’t doubt that’s how you genuinely feel. But just be aware that what you perceive from my text is not how I genuinely feel. That I care about the game and I’ve never meant to downplay anyone’s enthusiasm or involvement playing it. And trust me, I know what I’m saying is genuine because I am the one saying it... I can’t misinterpret my own feelings.

You can get that Arlington lap under 1:40 I know you can!

Locking thread. Let’s keep player critique in DMs, Discord or comment section on individual runs.

Let’s reserve leaderboard forums for discussion about the leaderboard as a whole.

Thanks.

Posting a necro response so as to further clarify why the mod team locked the thread, and also as to why I responded the way I did above.

Your initial thread was titled "You guys are getting a little better" (https://www.speedrun.com/atvof2/thread/xw11p) which suggests a very condescending demeanor as it originates from an account with no verified runs on record, let alone no verified activity for this game specifically. In any other game's forum on this site, this would warrant immediate response.

When we asked for further evidence on your times, you balked when asked to provide video evidence. Mag's first videos were just him pointing a camera (I presume a smartphone camera?) on his monitor as he played the game, and we are relatively lax of accepting a screenshot or legible capture of the race results screen as a valid indicator of IGT (Imgur is your best friend). We also employ a really lax emulator usage policy compared to other games on the site (especially other PS2/gen 6 console games).

All of the above is what we had determined was reasonable accommodation to be accepting of most runners while ensuring that this community does not have a chance at harboring the next Todd Rogers.

I just want to maintain the level of standards consistent with most other established boards whenever conditions permit, because ultimately there are some actions that if we indicate tolerance of, it will ultimately hinder the ATV2 community's advancement among the general speedrun community.

As for why we the mod team collectively decided to lock this thread, we want to encourage using other mechanisms for this so we can keep this board tidied for announcements regarding things directly related to the leaderboard such as rules changes. (We have a Discord server for this very reason). Most other sr.c boards reserve the forums for discussing specific strategies without changing the topic consistently (e.g. how to optimize 100 percent); I know of no other game which allows one single user to have one thread for chatroom-style discourse (basically, can I just walk into a random sr.c board, create a random form thread, and funnel all my discussion through that if I had a reasonable alternative to do the same?)

Admittedly, most of the active runners on this board do use Discord.

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