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I got falsely accused of cheating by a mod

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Hi! A few days ago I submitted a few World Record runs in the X class subcatgeories of Forza Horizon 5's Road Racing series. On most of those tracks, the #1 position is held by one of the moderators for that game, DragonQwertik. The videos I sent as proof were identical to the ones he sent, starting and ending at the exact same time, containing the same race and presenting no attempt of any kind of cheating. They were, however, shortly rejected by him with the reason of "being torque boosted" and as a result, cheating in his eyes. However, there is no evidence to suggest that I was in an Event lab where I can modify my torque in order to achieve faster times, especially considering the fact that I sent him the public tunes that I used so he can see for himself that the car acts the same for everyone. I decided to livestream my next runs. I managed to get 22 WRs in the S2 categories of the same leaderboards in a 3h 30min long livestream. But even so, the runs I sent from that livestream were rejected because of "prior cheating" which I find to be ridiculous and unacceptable. And when I asked DragonQwertik for evidence that supports my "cheating" he failed to provide any and avoided the question. I ask another moderator to look into this matter and make things right, this is absurd and I cannot believe I had to resort to writing down a forum thread in order to seek help for this. I would love to provide pictures of our private conversations or of all the runs he rejected but there is no way to attach screenshots here so I will just leave a link to the livestream I mentioned earlier:

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Have you tried contacting the super mods for that game? @Phineapoo was online just 10 hours ago.

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No, I haven't, tho it's a great idea. Thanks for the advice. Am I supposed to just explaim him the situation in private through a message?

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Yes

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[quote=Domodel]there is no way to attach screenshots here[/quote] There is, upload the image somewhere, such as Discord or Imgur, copy the image's link and just paste it into a post https://www.speedrun.com/the_site/thread/wrefn [quote=Domodel]or of all the runs he rejected[/quote] You could link them

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Well here are the links (I hope they work) https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_LOOKOUT_CIRCUIT#S2 https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_RIVIERA_SPRINT#X https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_CHIHUAHUA_CIRCUIT#X https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_COPPER_CANYON_SPRINT#X https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_DESCANSAR_DORADO_SPRINT#X https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_EMERALD_CIRCUIT#X https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/Road_Racing_-_DUNAS_BLANCAS_SPRINT#X

The vidoes look exactly like the ones he provided, except I use kph and they use mph. The tunes I used were Goliath 8:45 by vnx Codcaos for circuits and WR 8:25 by Creed Zade for sprints. Feel free to test these tunes and compare them in order to see that I have not lied about them, like DragonQwertik believes.

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I think they meant the actual submissions, not the categories. They should be here https://www.speedrun.com/Domodel/pendingactions?queue=runs-awaiting&status=rejected if u want to link them. However, the super mods should be able to find the rejected runs in their moderation hub.

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These are the rejected runs, I think

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Yep, that's them. I talked to Dragon and, while he aknowledged the fact that the S2 runs that he rejected are legit, he did so because of "prior cheating" The X class runs were the problem. Go ahead and tell me if they look suspicious in any sort of way, I'm more than open to debate them, unlike DragonQwertik.

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[quote=Domodel]Go ahead and tell me if they look suspicious in any sort of way[/quote] I think we're the wrong people to ask since most people here probably don't have any experience in this game. If your run is legit then maybe it was rejected because you beat the moderator's time?

Is a torque in a custom race something that you can modify? Like if you did decide to change it would it be shown in your live stream? Also have you messaged any other moderators about this, other than @DragonQwertik?

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Well to put it simply, there is a glitch that can be performed in a section of the game called the Event lab, where you somehow give yourself double the usual amount lf torque and that results in the car being faster than what is normaly possible. I have no idea how to perform that glitch, I just know it exists and it involves around the Even lab section which I did not use in any of my submitted runs. I have messaged @Phineapoo about it just now without a response yet. I came and asked here in hopes that a higher ranked moderator might see and help me somehow

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[quote=Domodel]I came and asked here in hopes that a higher ranked moderator might see and help me somehow[/quote] @Zynth and @Phineapoo are both super moderators of the game so they could remove @DragonQwertik as a mod if they find him to be unfairly rejecting your runs Also if you could of reported him to support hub if you wanted site staff to see

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I would try to solve the issue with the game's mod team first before contacting the site staff. They're basically the last resort. Also, if the community suspects @DragonQwertik of cheating as you said here https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/run/z52pdkjz , you can tell that to the super mod too. Maybe they could change the rules to make it harder to abuse the replay feature or look closer at DragonQwertik's runs.

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M_CBL_ and Domodel like this

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Or remove his as a mod

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@YUMmy_Bacon5 thanks a lot for all the directions given, I'll contact as many people as needed until the issue is solved. I also suspected @DragonQwertik for cheating in least on of his replays runs he posted and his response was that the other mods allowed it because the community didn't know that rewinds are not shown in a replay back then. However, such an argument is foolish in my opinion. Just because the overall community wasn't aware doesen't mean that you weren't, it proves nothing.

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Ivory, Act_, and YUMmy_Bacon5 like this

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I apologize in advance if this is inciting too much drama.

However, I would like to point out that DragonQwertik is a suspected cheater in the Hitman 3 community.

Suspect run: https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3/run/zn00wv9y

There were multiple inconsistencies with this run + lack of game audio that made us suspect that this run was played with slow motion cheats and the game footage sped up later.

DragonQwertik refused to play again with audio (even though they submitted runs with audio before this), citing the flimsy excuse "This was done at 9 and that is when my brother sleeps so I gotta turn off the sound". Even though headphones exist.

TL;DR DragonQwertik is almost certainly a cheater for at least one game, and as such has zero grounds to be a speedrun moderator of another game nor accuse others of cheating, at least in my opinion.

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Do the words "DragonQwertik" mean something in the FH5 community? There're 2 more accounts with the same name on SRC ( @DragonQwertik_S1 and @DragonQwertik_S2 ) and they both have a single 1st place run on FH5 that's been verified by @DragonQwertik. Edit 1: The videos of the runs are on the same channel as DragonQwertik's runs. Edit 2: DragonQwertik_S1 and DragonQwertik have the same discord account linked (DragonQwertik#1001). Edit 3: The runner of DragonQwertik_S2's 1st place run has been changed to DragonQwertik. https://www.speedrun.com/forza_horizon_5/run/zgpk2lvz

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Merl_, TooManyThings and 4 others like this

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Bumping because this doesn't seem to have been resolved yet. @Phineapoo @Zynth ? Anything to say about any of this?

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Glad that your standing up to this guy but I don’t think @Phineapoo and @Zynth are going to see this thread

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