Why there is no Any% WW category ?

Stubborn mods. Don't even try. I think Adventure 2 / Adventure 1 should be subcategories for each category, but they're probably not going to change that anyway.

Well, you do use wrong warps in the regular Any%. So it already does exist.

But if you are referring to the category that's ~3 min long; since this category requires abuse of an existing save file, we have considered this category to not be legit. You also actively abuse the Tracks mode, which also could be seen as a problem due to Any% being an Adventure mode category. But maybe we could add it as a misc category if enough people think it should be in.

And Jumpyluff, not sure why you are jumping to conclusions and being semi-aggressive, but we are always open to new suggestions. This does not mean that all categories you ask for will get accepted though. Having Adv1/Adv2 as sub categories is an option, but since no one runs the Adv2 ones we do not see a point. We tried having Adv2 100% as a regular category, but it has only gotten three people to submit times in total (and two of these were from a race to fill it). So we might push this down to misc, depending on what people think.

Any% ww don't abuse of an existing file and the time is aprox 5 min since there is the normal game start (1m30) and an 35 sec of waiting time at the final boss. It shoul be an interesting small speedrun with a cool major glitch :)

"But if you are referring to the category that's ~3 min long; since this category requires abuse of an existing save file, we have considered this category to not be legit."

The game already uses pre-existing data. Unlocking T.T. requires a lot of work before it's ready for a speedrun file, and is not counted towards the speedrun timer.

Can you show me a video of this, Xcvazer? This is the category I am referring to: . And this uses exactly what I was explaining earlier. You need a save file with the lighthouse already gone for this category, otherwise you won't be able to enter Future Fun Land. But we could definitely discuss adding it as a misc category :)

And you are referring to two different things, Jumpyluff. Pre-existing data and save file abuse are two different things. The difference is that T.T will still be on the cartridge if you delete all save files, while the Any% WW category won't be possible to perform if you do so.

So what? Both gain advantages from having previously played the game. Take a look at Banjo-Kazooie. Not only are FFM moves used now, but never have we had to watch the cutscene right after Spiral Mountain. I don't know why all of these things are allowed in so many N64 games then suddenly there's this rule that """"disqualifies"""" a category from existing.

I personally called it NG+ Any%.

Well, it's not like those things were non-controversal when they voted for FFM to go through. I personally do not agree with the BK community, but since I'm not into that game I can't make that decision. People who are into the game and active in the community can. And we have never said that this category should never appear on the leaderboard, if you read the entire post I made you could see that we could add it as a misc category if people want in on there. But it's still abusing a save file, so we do not consider it being regular Any%. Some communities have separate categories for different consoles, some do not. Some communities allow menu manipulations, some do not. Some communities allow save file abuse, some do not. Communities have different views on what's right and wrong, and we have our view on what we think is best for DKR.

There is a difference between using cartridge-wide unlockables like TT, as sort of an intended NG+, and the glitched NG+. The NG+ glitch is basically just a glitchy way of copying data from an existing file to a new one, you can't deny that.The glitch won't work if you currently only have empty files.

And don't try to bring up BiT in Twilight Princess, that glitch can't be compared, since it doesn't depend on existing files. All the setup happens during the run.

The stuff they use in DK64 is also more legit, since they're basically just using the intended, cartridge-wide unlockables to glitch the game. Like in TP, no existing save files are required.

Yup MrsGizamaluke this is the category I had in head , but I don't hear in the video that we need an other existing file with the lighthouse done.

"The game already uses pre-existing data. Unlocking T.T. requires a lot of work before it's ready for a speedrun file, and is not counted towards the speedrun timer."

TT is unlocked on cartbridge and can be used on new file, its nothing like using an actual pre existing file. Also this issue as already been discussed and there is not point into adding a category like this as it does not even complete anything but a boss previously unlocked on a file already started.

"Any% ww don't abuse of an existing file and the time is aprox 5 min since there is the normal game start (1m30) and an 35 sec of waiting time at the final boss. It shoul be an interesting small speedrun with a cool major glitch"

Actually it does, you need a file with wizpig unlocked so that when you wrap from the track menu it gets the data from that file which allows you to enter FFL and Wizpig.

"So what? Both gain advantages from having previously played the game. Take a look at Banjo-Kazooie. Not only are FFM moves used now, but never have we had to watch the cutscene right after Spiral Mountain. I don't know why all of these things are allowed in so many N64 games then suddenly there's this rule that """"disqualifies"""" a category from existing."

You can't compare these issue like these with other games. TT and Drumstick are only characters that can be unlock forever on the cartbridge, you dont need an actual file after unlocked it. That is 2 different issue.

Also as a side note (to jumpyluff), i dont know why you always try to start drama with DKR, i think as a community we know what is the best and as an outsider you should not try to change everything. Its not because you think we are doing something wrong that it is something wrong.

I also wanna had that suggesting stuff is totally fine, but dont be a "dick" to the mods/community if its not accepted.

Categories won't be made, in general, across all speedrunning communities, unless there is public demand for them to be made. Arguing with mods over whether categories are "valid" or not doesn't really matter in the long run.