North Carolina, USAI am doing my job, thanks, and I have done many, many magnitudes of things across both boards over the year+ I have been a moderator and I continue to make changes as they are needed. Just because I don't immediately jump on your demand does not mean I am not doing my job as doing my job doesn't entail exclusively pleasing you and a more than fair compromise has been laid out. Please also do not insert words into my mouth, I did not ask for a single casual playthrough that was done four months ago, to quote the post in question,
"If a bunch of runs pop up across the various categories that are on Expert exclusively, I can make a new subcategory for it and shift them over to there. Otherwise it will stay as-is, so do understand it's possible your Expert run might remain on the boards as it currently looks if there isn't sufficient activity."
That is far from asking "for a run". The category will still happen with sufficient activity, it is not being added right now because people tend to say they will do something and then never follow through with it which will cause new categories to be up empty for no reason. I am not going to let that happen, so we're waiting to see the activity first. I care quite a lot about these boards and have done far more than what is required of me to try and be accomodating and courteous, taking quite a bit of time to write these responses, but this is clearly turning into a very unnecessary and angry environment and your accusations are not at all appreciated.
This thread is being locked and the existing offer will continue to stand if anybody would like to submit runs. Once again, it requires no extra work on your part, I can shift them over myself. All you need to do is submit like you were going to. It is my promise that this category will exist given enough activity.
Dead on arrival categories will not be added in an already dead game unless sufficient activity has been shown. I don't expect that to happen because the game is dead, and the only ones asking for it are inactive runners who have little to no existing runs, with the active runners not showing interest in it. It is therefore perfectly reasonable to confirm enough interest before making changes or additions.
The plan has been laid out already and will be how it goes. This is my final post on the matter.
I care and the active community cares quite a bit. You can't "make somebody else do a better run", you're the one(s) wanting the category up in a dead game. It is up to you to show enough interest in populating it with actual speedruns to make it a worthwhile edition, and so far we are far from that with a casual playthrough done four months ago and two other runs done a year ago (and then a recent Blood Harvest, which is finally a good start).
Once again, I am not going to put a category up because you're demanding I do so as you don't speak for the entire active community until you become part of it. Either participate with your interest or don't.
Hey, been very busy lately with the Christmas season looming but I'm getting to some submissions now.
Cyberdemon... are you sure that Original Campaigns Solo on Expert in over 4 hours is what you want to put forward? I mean... it's actually a casual playthrough with bots, it isn't at all a speedrun of the game. I'm just saying, this doesn't seem like a good place for it (again, it's actually a casual play) and I want to make sure before taking the time to verify it.
If you've already done a run, then submit it? If you're all so into this category then I don't see the problem with submitting them normally so I know there's real, tangible interest and not just hollow promises of runs that will never come. It's very easy to shift them to a new category after they are already up, I can handle that myself no problem with no extra work from you. No offense intended, but I'm also not going to just add a category because somebody is demanding I do so, I think the idea proposed is a very fair compromise to make sure considering everybody asking for it doesn't even have an existing run on the leaderboards besides Cyberdemon's Original Campaigns Solo.
Just submit to the regular boards for now to show your real interest. It'll make you look really good at the game competing with Easy difficulty runs on Expert, anyway.
Alright, I think deagle's idea is pretty fair since the people posting the requests so far (Pickle, Cyberdemon, CTRH1) don't currently have any runs up at all.
Feel free to do Expert runs and submit them to the current boards. If a bunch of runs pop up across the various categories that are on Expert exclusively, I can make a new subcategory for it and shift them over to there. Otherwise it will stay as-is, so do understand it's possible your Expert run might remain on the boards as it currently looks if there isn't sufficient activity.
Of course it should go without saying, the runs need to begin on Expert and never leave that difficulty through the entire duration to be valid for the potentially new category. See the Expert Realism rules on the L4D2 boards for guidance, the rules here will probably be the same (sans Realism).
Forgot to reply to this earlier, sorry.
We should have more than one person willing to submit to it and have a community discussion about if it's worth it first, but your bid is noted for now.
November 12th 2017,
Replaced the custom campaigns "Urban Flight" and "Detour Ahead" with "Dark Blood 2" and "Grey Scale". Both campaigns were replaced because of just awful RNG pathing things and situations that will cause an insane amount of resets for something pure RNG. Hopefully the two new campaigns goes much better and further changes won't be necessary.
Bill did the same thing I did after I told him how I went about it, starting with timescale 0.3 or so and moving it up by 0.1 once I got the movement three times in a row. I had no hope in getting the proper order of movement down by just going straight to real-time, but lowering timescale helped massively in spacing it out to learn what input happens when. In the course of that one night I went from not having a hope at 1 to topping out at completing it at 1.8.
Not sure if this would work for all strategies, but at least those with quick inputs definitely helps for me. Just move to another timescale quickly before you get too used to a low one and you should be fine.
[quote=SpiderSponge]Then what is the point of having a leaderboard? Everyone will just get the same time if we do this. So no![/quote]
So your argument is that competition should be people buying their way to the top of the leaderboard instead? Are you serious.
An Expert Realism subcategory already exists on the L4D2 board here, https://www.speedrun.com/l4d2
A move hasn't been made on the L4D1 boards yet since it doesn't have Realism and it is far less run than L4D2 at the moment. Your best bet for the time being would be to check out the L4D2 subcategory for it until more activity potentially comes into L4D1 in the future and we figure out if Expert is worth it here as well without Realism being a thing.
To add to bill_play3's post two above this, I'll paraphrase some of what I wrote in that thread on The Turing Test here to make it easier,
It seems the current super mod sniped the game's modship, barely established rules and submitted one run, and then left the site quickly (11 months ago). They should probably be removed with somebody new and active established that want to create proper rules, like bill. Personally, as a long-time mod on the Left 4 Dead boards myself, I can vouch for bill that he's a thoughtful individual who has been helpful in discussions on that series in setting up rules including figuring out load removal (a big thing Turing Test needs cemented), so he's definitely a good candidate here.
Yes, the current super mod seemed to snipe the game's modship, establish barebones rules with a low-effort first run, and then leave the site quickly. They should probably be removed entirely and somebody new established. Also, yes, Super Mods are the only ones able to add or remove other regular mods, which is the only difference between regulars and supers. They can also promote others to super but they cannot remove that person once they are also a super.
Personally, as a long-time mod on the Left 4 Dead boards myself, I can vouch for bill that he's a thoughtful individual who has been helpful in discussions on that series in setting up rules including figuring out load removal, so he's definitely a good candidate here.
Wonder if I should post this in the main site thread, not sure if they will come in and read it here or not...
Hello new person! You can join the L4D Speedrunning Discord and see if anybody there is interested, it's where we all hang out. There is a Co-op channel you can write in, and also ask any questions about how to run the game if you have any.
August 28th 2017,
Added language near the top of the rules that each individual campaign must be run continuously in a single server. Since the map command is allowed, this prevents abusing that command to launch a new server between levels to restore your health to full (and any other abuses we may not even have thought of).
August 27th 2017,
Added the "jointeam" command to the banned commands list.
August 23rd 2017,
Minor rule addition that you cannot switch Realism mode on or off during a run, you must commit to it when you start.
August 20th 2017,
Big rule changes regarding addons!
Previously, all addons were banned except for survivor models, gun textures and models, and HUD elements (excluding the item radar). After some careful thought and discussion, the trigger has finally been pulled on banning the rest of the allowed addons listed above for many reasons such as the fact that a big, colorful survivor can make it easier to see a teammate stuck or specialed, you could change the grenade launcher model to make it easier to see (which is very relevant to co-op now), and so on. The rules now state that all addons are banned outright, which is far more simple, fair, and vanilla.
Further updated that section to now state that a live recording is required for all submissions (not a recording of demo playback) so that it can be confirmed no addons were used. This doesn't change any way we've been recording our runs for months, and prevents future abuse of hiding addons behind demo playback.
Added a list of allowed console commands that contains map, viewmodel, glow commands, and network commands, so it's clear what can be changed. More may be added if I forgot about any, but as of this writing that's what is on there.
July 9th 2017,
Added a new game version to the versions column, 2.0.7.5. This version is used for some changes in Dead Air and Cold Stream.
Changed up how the Fortnight Challenge category is displayed. There are now three, Fortnight Challenge (Unique), Fortnight Challenge (Stayin Alive), and Fortnight Challenge (Dash). Unique is for all mutations which use regular, tweaked gameplay and are on whole campaigns. Dash is specifically for maps using the Dash gametype. Stayin' Alive is specifically for maps using... well, guess. This sets it up in the future to add new Dash and Stayin' Alive maps easily, have proper Solo and Co-op subcategories which is much cleaner than before, and most importantly lets only Stayin' Alive use the reversed timing, where longer times are better. The two Fortnight Challenge categories which are currently inactive every two-week period will be moved to misc (currently Stayin Alive and Dash).
I probably should have replied sooner for an official thing, but rskiller covered it well enough already. When you submit your run just be sure to select the correct platform you're playing on in the platform dropdown.
I haven't tried load removal on consoles, but the loading icon is in the corner so it should work the same. You can watch the load removal tutorial here to see how it's done, http://www.speedrun.com/l4d2/guide/y3so9
